Episode 229: PTSD After Traumatic Kidnapping Helped By Cannabis

Episode 229: PTSD After Traumatic Kidnapping Helped By Cannabis

intro: Welcome to Cannabis Health Radio, a podcast where we share stories from people around the world. Who are using cannabis as medicine. The information is meant to raise awareness about the health benefits of cannabis, but should not be taken as medical advice. Now, here are your hosts, Ian Jessop and Corrie Yelland. Ian: Welcome to Episode 229 of Cannabis Health Radio. I’m Ian Jessop. Corrie: And I’m Corrie Yelland. Ian: Do you like our new intro? Corrie: I do. Ian: Yeah, it’s great. Our guest today is Leslie. She doesn’t want her last name used and she is from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and she’s going to tell us two stories about the benefits of cannabis. One story deals with her mother and the other with her personally. Leslie, thanks for This. Leslie: Oh my pleasure. Ian: Now you suffer from PTSD because you were kidnapped, held at knifepoint for six days, terrorized and beaten. Now take us through what happened. And I should remind you, Leslie, that if at any point you want to stop, just let us know and we’ll move on. Leslie: Okay, sure. I had met a man and within a month, he had charmed me into thinking that he would be the man I was going to potentially marry. And within a few months of being with him, he slowly became emotionally aggressive and abusive in ways that were shocking me and getting me off balance and then of course, apologizing and saying he needed help. And so I thought that If I stuck by him a little while and did some things with him to help him it might change things but it didn’t, it just went sour within, I think it was about six months when that happened, we traveled to South America. And we were in the Amazon jungle, doing some healing work with a shaman. And we were supposed to be there for four weeks and then the third week he just snapped and attacked me and took a knife and put it in my face.Told me to give up my passport, my credit cards, my money. So that was it. In that moment, I was stuck. And then over the next six days, it was just terrorism and him beating me and holding the knife in my face and acting like a lunatic. But fortunately, he became paranoid of the townspeople coming after him so he ollowed me to get our flights changed. And we came back to Toronto. And that’s when I started taking action to separate myself from him. And eventually it all, he went away with the help of the police. So I survived it. I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it, he, I mean, in the moment when it first happened the first night it happened, I was pretty sure he was going to kill me. And the amount of fear that is, that I experienced, I just, you know, it was, it felt like the most amount of fear human being could ever experience. And then that feeling was with me for the whole six days and even after I came back, it was with me until I called the police and then everything’s, and then everything stopped from there, like he stayed away. But since then, that was 10 years ago. Since then, it was a, you know, it was the road to recovery. I’d also lost quite a bit of weight I hadn’t been eating he’d been keeping me from eating meat, insisting I should stay on a raw food diet. So my body was falling apart and from the malnutrition in addition to the stress, so it was a road to recovery after that and I’m doing pretty good like it, you know I’m very physically fit and health conscious so I was able to make a full physical recovery but the PTSD symptoms they stay with you for a long time or they stayed with me for a long time and while I can appear to everybody in my life, that I’m highly functioning, I still have a lot of anxiety. I was having a lot of nightmares, lose my patients very, very fast, get angry very fast for you know, no good reason sometimes. Mostly with my family, you know, outside of the family, not so bad but within the family where it feels a little safer. So, three years ago, I think it was about three years ago, a friend of mine sent me a link to the Rick Simpson story and the story of how cannabis oil heals cancer and I never heard of that. before. I knew, I know about cannabis, because I had smoked cannabis of and on through my life. But sometimes I didn’t because it would make me a little paranoid. So I got scared and would stop for some time. But then when I had this story, and I listened to it, I was blown away. And then I found Corries story, the interview with Cannabis Health Radio, and that blew me away too. And so and my friend told me he knew someone who had the oil so I got some oil from this friend. And I got extra because I had friend,. I had a friend with cancer and I had a couple of other friends that were having health issues and they were interested. So I started getting this oil, and I started micro dosing with it. And for me, it literally changed my life. My sister said she’s noticed a huge improvement since I’ve taken the oil in terms of my mood swings and my mental states and so I’ve been taking the oil every night for the last three years and it’s worked great for me, no more nightmares. Ian: I was just going to ask you If you still had nightmares. Leslie: Very, very rarely, very rarely, maybe once a year if I’m in, if I’m in a very stressful situation, then that can trigger them but that’s pretty rare. If I don’t take the oil and I do start having trouble, I can’t sleep that’s the other thing, the oil is helped me sleep better than I’ve ever slept Corrie: Wouw, so what was the first thing you noticed when you started taking it Leslie? Leslie: The first time I took it, I just remember feeling like getting drowsy and sleeping pretty deep, felt a little groggy in the morning when I got up but that wasn’t a problem. Like it, after about a week or two of taking it, that you know I would wake up feeling a little groggy but once I got up and took a shower and got moving that wore off completely and I was fine for my day. Corrie: Now so do you find that just taking it at night actually is enough to you know, keep the PTSD in check for 24 hours so to think, or do you have to, do you find that you smoke some during the day or? Leslie: Yeah, during the day what I ended up doing was starting to smoke at the end of day when I’m finished work and then I wait till like two hours before I go to bed for the oil. However, because I’m a little bit nervous about having cannabis when I’m working, not because my work is great, I can work fine, but I start forgetting things like did I do this? So I just wait till I’m finished work. Although one time I had a really bad migraine and I had a full day. And I was about three quarters of the way through the day and I thought I didn’t think I was going to make it so I thought well, I’m just going to take the oil, and if I get stoned, I don’t care. I just want to kill this headache because it’s also good for pain. So I took a little bit of the oil, just a very tiny half a grain of rice. And surprisingly, I didn’t get stoned at all. I just, it leveled me to the place of feeling, it, the headache went away completely. And my energy level was perfect. I was perfectly relaxed and centered and ready to work. So I find the oil in the daytime works like any kind of medicine depending on where your body is, like if you’re too high, it can bring you down, if you’re too low It can bring you up a little. It just depends what’s going on but it’s an amazing medicine. Corrie: So the oil you’re taking is high THC? Leslie: Yes, it’s made the way Rick Simpson formula is supposed to be made. Yeah, and I started making my own to. Corrie: Bravo. Ian: Good for you. Leslie: Yeah. Ian: Leslie after the incident did the doctors recommend anything for you, any pharmaceuticals? Leslie: Um, I didn’t, I don’t remember if I even went to the doctor. I did go to my doctor and I told him what happened. Actually, I’m remembering now, I did go to my doctor and I told him what happened and he did recommend pharmaceuticals if I wanted them. He was never pushy. I had an amazing doctor, but he’s since retired. He always respected my wishes to use alternative medicine, but he never judged me, he would, but he would listen and he would never criticize it. And he just said, because I’m so healthy. He would say whatever you’re doing, just keep doing it. Ian: Where do you think you would be? Where do you think your mental state would be today if you had not discovered cannabis oil? Leslie: I wouldn’t be in as good shape for sure I would still would be having trouble sleeping. I would probably be extremely anxious and much angrier than I am. Tense I probably still be having nightmares and yeah, I think that’s how I would be if I wasn’t taking the oil because that’s how I was before I started taking the oil. I did do a therapy some years ago, about five years ago called EMDR, which did help. Yeah, it helped for a while. But after about a year or two of that, then I started slipping back into my symptoms. So it only had a short term effect. Ian: Tell us what EMDR is. Leslie: It’s a kind of therapy called I movement, desensitization and reprocessing. And basically, there’s different ways of doing it. There’s something called tapping. It’s a bilateral eye movement stimulation. So the therapist will work with you, a psycho therapist who’s trained in this work, will work too. And you don’t have to tell the story of what you went through. Because sometimes that can be really traumatizing to tell the story. Because your brain gets tricked into thinking you’re there again, when you talk about it or when I talk about it. So what they do is, they just have you imagine the worst moment in the situation and then you open your eyes and wave their finger back and forth, and you watch with your eyes. So your eyes are moving back and forth. And then you relax and close your eyes. And then you tell the therapist what’s coming up for you. And then you go through, you close your eyes again, and you look at the finger, or you open your eyes and look at the finger waving back and forth. So there’s a bilateral movement going on with the eyes that stimulates, I think it’s called REM stage. And it helps the brain, the neural pathways in the brain reconfigure, into a different pattern and out of the pattern of the trauma. Because in trauma, the brain, the neural pathways in the brain, they get reconfigured into a state. So the PTSD is actually a state of feeling like you’re still in the trauma and in the situation, because the brain has rewired to, into that story. Ian: Now when you flew back from South America with this, this odd fellow that you were with, you must have felt as though something may happen to you during your trip back and when you arrived in Toronto. Am I correct? Leslie: Yes, I was feeling under threat every moment. I was with him after that situation started. Corrie: I can’t even imagine and you were all those miles from home when it happened. Unknown: Oh, it was horrible. Yeah, I just thought oh, my goodness, my parents don’t even know where I am. You know, and I don’t want to die this way. I don’t want to die here in the jungle. You know, it was just, it was horrible. But I just hung on. You know, with my mind. I was just trying to be really strong. Corrie: One of the things we talked about the other day when we were on the phone is the strain of cannabis called Golden Goat and you were going to check with your care giver, provider, whatever, were you able to do that yet? Leslie: I ran it by him and he said he hadn’t heard of it but he’s looking into it now. Corrie: Okay, I know you can get it in the States. So for listeners, Golden Goat is very, very effective with PTSD. Even simply adding some laundry detergent and washing clothes in it and your pillowcases, etc. It’s having amazing results with post traumatic stress disorder. Ian: Golden Goat. Corrie: Golden goat Leslie: Golden Goat, I have to get some of that. I’m looking forward to finding that one. Ian: Leslie, we talked in the introduction that you had two stories. One was about yourself, which you just told us and the next one is about your mother. Tell us about that. Leslie: Yeah, well my my sister and I, a year, a little over a year ago. My mother had been complaining she hadn’t been on a vacation for a few years. So we took my parents to the Dominican Republic and on the plane ride on the way down, we brought some food and and she hadn’t, we had, none of us had eaten much. So we were pulling out the sandwiches and we offered her some food and she wasn’t, she said she wasn’t hungry. She had a stomach ache. She didn’t feel like eating. And then over the course of the week that we were there, she didn’t want to eat hardly anything or even drink water. Everything tasted horrid to her. So we were really concerned because we thought, well, how long has this been going on? And apparently it had been going on at least a month, maybe longer. And it was really nerve racking because we thought well, how long could she get away with this? You know, this is not right, something’s wrong. So when we came back, we went to the hospital right away and get her get her checked out. And they put her through tests and everything was fine. They said she was slightly dehydrated, so they hydrated her and we took her home and they gave her some kind of medication, some kind of anti nausea medication that they give cancer people and they thought she had a gastric problems. So we gave it to her. And over the course of the next few days, she stopped eating and drinking completely. And three days went by. And that’s when I got in touch. I think I got in touch with you, Corrie. And you gave me the name of somebody who makes the oil in pill form. And I got in touch with her. And because my mother couldn’t stand the taste of anything, so I couldn’t even get oil into her mouth, which I had been giving her a little bit before. Corrie: Right. Leslie: So the woman was so gracious to come all the way from out of town and bring the oil to me. And as soon as I got it, I went and took it to my mother who was lying in bed and three days had gone by with no water, no food, and I could see she was dying. It was obvious, she was about to go and I thought, well, we have a choice. We either take her to the hospital, they’re going to put tubes down her throat, needles in her arms, give her all kinds of toxic medications and I don’t like the sound of that but let’s try the cannabis oil first. So I gave her a cap which has a 10th of a gram of the oil. And within two hours she started saying, I’m thirsty, I want something to drink and I’m hungry. I want something to eat. And she started eating and drinking again. Leslie: But that’s not the end of it. Because the doctors of course, they wanted to continue doing every test under the sun because they wanted to know why this was happening to her. And they did a gastroscopy and they discovered H. pylori bacteria in her gut. So they assumed, because of that bacteria, that she had a problem as a result of that. And I discovered afterwards that 60% of the population has this bacteria and not everybody gets sick from it. So they prescribed two heavy duty antibiotics and two stomach meds, and then of course, the anti nausea medication. And we started giving it to her because we didn’t know so… But I made sure she took that oil every night because I wanted her protected no matter what. And I knew the oil would protect her and help her because we saw what it did the day you know we gave it to her. Corrie: Wow! Corrie: RIght. Leslie: And also it helped her sleep she hasn’t slept in years and when we gave her that oil, she’s out like a light for eight hours solid. She doesn’t even get up to go the washroom and that’s what she needs, you know she needed to heal. So, when we gave her the medication for the H pylori, she very quickly got sicker and sicker she started having seizures and blacking out and we had to call the ambulance and have her taken into the hospital. And she was in emerged for three days and the doctors finally on the third day, the doctors came out and said, Okay, we’re taking her off all the meds. We don’t think it’s the H. pylori. We think maybe her thyroid medication is is off balance. And I said and he had a whole team of doctors there while we were sitting with my mother and I, and he said but if she has nausea, we can give her the anti nausea medication. And I said to him, and all the doctors I said, No, the cannabis oil is working just fine for the nausea. I’m going to continue giving it to her. And the head of the team actually said to me, oh, okay, that’s great. You know, we can’t give it to her, but you can. So keep giving it to her if you want to. And they even wrote it on her medical chart, which I was so happy about that she was not to take any medication, only the cannabis oil. Corrie: Awesome. Ian: Yeah, that’s remarkable. Leslie: Great Hospital in Toronto, you know, Mount Sinai. It’s wonderful. And so she finally came out of the hospital and it’s been a year of recovery for her. Because while she got sick, she had atrophied quite a bit. got very weak and traumatized, I think, by the medicine that they gave her with a seizures and the blacking out, it was horrible. So yeah, she’s doing a lot better now. She has some short term memory issues. They did discover she had some lesions in her brain indicating that she probably had a few mini strokes and didn’t even know it. So they think it’s a vascular dementia that’s happening but the oil I think is keeping her from going downhill any faster. I think that it’s really slowing down that process for her. Corrie: How much oil is she having a day? Leslie: I give her every night the cap, the 10th of a gram. So it’s a lot. I think it’s more than I take. But she does well with it. Corrie: Yeah, yeah, keeping in mind that everybody has a different tolerance and everybody has a different amount of cannabinoid receptors, so… Leslie: Right, right. But I think what happened to her is that it was a bit of, I think it was a nervous breakdown because she’s had an immense amount of stress over the last four years. And too many changes. She’s 70, she’s going to be 79 soon and four years ago, he,r my father. Well first of all, she went to a family reunion and an old, very old childhood trauma, sexual abuse by a family member was triggered in her. And she just was not the same. When she came back from that reunion, we could see that she had gone into some kind of a state, you know, a traumatic state. And then shortly after that, like within two months after that my father was diagnosed with Parkinson’s, which totally freaked her out. And then they decided to sell the house. And while they were in, they went to Mexico while the house was being sold so that they didn’t have to be in the house while people were coming in and out. And they were traumatized there by some timeshare sellers. So there was that and then they came back from their trip, then they had to move and they moved into a condo after living in this beautiful house for 43 years. So that was a big loss for them. And then my mother retired a year later from work. So now they’re in a condo and they’re much more isolated. She’s not seeing her friends as much and she’s terrified every day, about my dad. Because he’s getting weaker and weaker, and she’s watching him decline and it scares her. They’ve been together since they were 21. Ian: Does your father take cannabis for his Parkinson’s? Leslie: He does he smokes. He’s afraid to take the oil because of his balance issues. He’s afraid if he gets up in the middle of the night, he might lose his balance and fall. So he doesn’t take the oil even though I’d love him to. But he does smoke a lot. And I think that helps them quite a bit too. Ian: Yeah, boys, lot of issues in your family, Leslie. Leslie: Oh, yeah. But we’re a hardy bunch. We have a lot of love in our family. So we support each other quite a bit. And I think that’s the saving grace as well. Ian: Well, I think it’s fantastic that both your parents, elderly parents take cannabis in whatever form. I mean, I think it’s it’s certainly, I mean, your father would probably be on medications now or is he on medications? Leslie: He is also on medication and he doesn’t like taking medication so he actually put off taking it for a long time. But at a certain point, he decided to start taking the dopamine, pharmaceuticals and it did help slightly and, but they only worked for about five years or so and so he’s got another year or two before I think that’s not going to really help him too much. But my father is actually been smoking cannabis since the 1950s. He discovered it when he was 15 years old, and he loved it and he just has always used it and I think it’s been really good for him in his life. Because he’s also had a lot of trauma in, when he was a child. And I think that kept him from having, you know, to take any kind of pharmaceuticals like antidepressants, things like that. Corrie: Leslie, I wonder about maybe trying your dad, you know, I know he’s got that whole issue with balance, trying him with some CBD. Leslie: Yes, that’s a good idea. Corrie: Because I spoke with Dr Ethan Russo ot a conference, I forget where that I was speaking up, who’s renowned neurologist, a cannabis friendly doctor. Who actually knows a lot about cannabis, we interviewed him. At any rate, asked him about Parkinson’s and he said you know Parkinson’s is a real tough one and what one person reacts to favorably another doesn’t. So it’s not kinda like you know, with most cancers we say high THC. So it’s not like you look at Parkinson’s say, okay, well, they need 50/50 THC, CBD, it’s really all over the map. So you know, it might be worth a try to get a decent CBD oil and just give it a whirl, see if it makes any difference. Leslie: Okay, great. I’m going to do that. Yeah. Thank you. Ian: Is his condition deteriorating? Leslie: It is, it’s it is deteriorating, he doesn’t have the shakes, you know that he doesn’t have that kind of a problem with the Parkinson’s. But he’s getting weaker and weaker and weaker all the time and he’s still walking but he needs a walker if he’s going more than a block for sure. Because he gets too tired, and then he has to sit down, and it’s getting harder for him to do things with his hands like prepare the food, you know, making meals, things like that, he gets he gets tired very, very fast. So his movement is, is becoming less and less. Corrie: What’s he like mentally? Do you find that? You know, he’s not as cognitive as he used to be? Leslie: No, he’s sharp. He’s still, fortunate, thank goodness. Corrie: Because that’s something that happens with Parkinson’s as well. Leslie: It can yes, but not with him. I don’t know. Maybe it’s from all the smoking for all these years to that’s protected him. Corrie: Maybe it’s the marijuana? Leslie: I bet it is. Because when we were young, sometimes he would be like, he’d start spinning out. And if he was out of cannabis, we’d say to my mom, mom, mom, go get him some weed, you know, he needs his weed. Corrie: For god’s sake. Leslie: Yeah! Ian: And of course, I guess if your mother sees your father’s condition deteriorating, it has an impact on her? Leslie: Yes, because she’s terrified, they’ve been together, she’s never been alone. She’s been with him since she was 21. Ian: Yeah, Leslie: And before that she hadn’t been alone too much either. She lived with roommates but I think it’ll be such a big change for her, you know, if he goes before her. So yeah, every day she’s scared and watching him and that’s very hard on her. Ian: Well, what you do, what you do is get him some CBD, have them take the CBD and tell him that you’ve entered him in the Toronto marathon. See what his reaction is? Leslie: Yeah, definitely! Ian: Yeah, does your sister use cannabis? Leslie: She does, too. She’s used it for years for anxiety and PTSD as well. Yeah, we’ve all been through the mill so and it works for her. She, it was at times where she just couldn’t get through her days without it. Ian: Boy. You’re one of the few people we’ve talked to whose entire family embraces cannabis, isn’t that? Leslie: Oh, yes. Corrie: Yeah, which is great. Ian: Yeah, it really is. Corrie: It’s really nice to hear. Leslie: Ironically that we have a younger brother and my brother, even though cannabis had been in the family all these years, although my mother was never a smoker, she never was into cannabis until like, we started giving it to her for medical reasons, but my brother never touched it until he was 40. And he was, I think he was afraid. And then when he was 40, he said, Well, I feel like you know, everybody’s doing it. I feel like I’m missing out on something. I want to know what it is. So he tried it. And he likes it. And it’s been amazing for him to because he also has PTSD. So the whole family is, yeah, happy to have it. It’s a godsend. It’s a miracle plant. It’s such an intelligent plant. I’m just totally blown away by it. And ever since I discovered the medicinal benefits like three years ago, I’ve been doing a lot of research and learning as much as I can about the history of it. And I’ve been telling everyone know who’s open to hearing about it. And helping people who are sick to get their hands on some oil and get healed up. Ian: Well tell your younger brother the reason he waited until he was 40 is because he was adopted. Leslie: We’ll have a good laugh after that. Ian: This is a, this is great, Some great stories you told us. I mean, great in the sense that they’re informative about the use of cannabis, not the story itself about you being kidnapped. Leslie: Right, right, I understand. Ian: But it, wat it tells me is that there are so many more alternatives than the pharmaceutical paradigm will have us believe in and cannabis seems to be, as you mentioned Leslie, a very intelligent plant. And as we’ve mentioned on this show many times, it creates homeostasis in the body which balances out our systems. And that’s what makes it so remarkable. And I think your family is really a testament to the fact that cannabis can be so extremely helpful. Corrie: For so many things. Ian: For so many things Leslie: For so many things, it’s amazing, it just blows my mind. The more I learned about it, how many things it’s good for and and then I was listening to Dr. Bob Melamede and he’s talking about how women naturally produce cannabinoids in their breast milk when they’re feeding. Corrie: Yes. Leslie: That’s just, that’s great. Like our bodies are meant to be using this plant. And it’s sad like it makes me really sad and very angry that these governments have prohibited us from having access to something that’s never killed anybody ever and only helps people and yet they want to push these like pharmaceuticals. I can’t take any pharmaceuticals. I’m allergic to every antibiotic. Anytime I’ve taken any medicines from the doctor, I’ve gotten worse, so I have to rely on natural medicines. I will never take a pharmaceutical ever, ever in my life. Not even over the counter, I won’t, you know unless I’m in a really terrible injury, you know accident and I need some morphine for the short time, then I won’t touch anything from them. Ian: Leslie it’s wonderful to talk to you, anything you want to say in conclusion? Leslie: I just want to say thank you very much for all the work you’re doing, you know if it wasn’t for you and Corrie I probably wouldn’t have known as much as I know and it’s a really great plant. I’m happy to share my story just so that more people can know that they can benefit from it. And I guess that’s it. Yeah, Ian: Well if it wasn’t for Corrie. I wouldn’t know anything about cannabis either. So. Leslie: Oh, thank you Corrie so much. Ian: Thank you Corrie. Corrie: You’re welcome so much. And Leslie, thank you for stepping up to the plate and sharing your story because I’m sure that it wasn’t easy to do. And I can’t tell you how much we appreciate it. Leslie: Thank you. You’re welcome. I’m happy if it helps people. That’s the main thing. Ian: Thanks, Leslie. We appreciate it. Leslie: Okay, take care, nice talking with you. Corrie: Have a great day, Leslie. Bye bye. Leslie: Bye bye. Ian: That was Episode 229 of Cannabis Health Radio and we’d like to thank Ron Zahar from Roan sound, here in Victoria, for generously donating his studio and his time for Cannabis Health Radio, to be on the air. Corrie? Leslie was a fantastic guest! Corrie: She was! Ian: Great story. Corrie: Great story. Lots of courage to tell it, I’m sure and yeah, very much appreciate it. Ian: That’s another edition of Cannabis Health Radio. We’ll be back next week. outro: Thanks for listening to Cannabis Health Radio. For more information and to search previous podcasts, visit our website Cannabishealthradio.com, subscribe so you don’t miss new episodes and follow us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. This podcast is made possible by donations from our listeners. 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